Reply With QuoteWell let's get this thread inaugurated in style.
Randy Rainbow has finally just dropped his election show tune.
The upcoming election is clearly a topic of much interest for members, so much so we've had four separate threads discussing various candidates and events.
We certainly don't want to stop these discussions but with the multiple threads they have meandered into each other and have somewhat dominated comm chat at times.
It would be very much appreciated if this thread could be used for these discussions - at least until after the election and immediate fallout itself.
The recent threads for Biden, Harris and Trump being shot have been closed. The general Trump thread has also been temporarily closed but will be re-opened at the beginning of next month as a longer-running thread which has covered more than just the upcoming election.
Well let's get this thread inaugurated in style.
Randy Rainbow has finally just dropped his election show tune.
Is there a difference between a lawyer and a con man?
In this case, a very big one. Context, and all that. Not to mention history. And sheer quantity.
Even j. D. Vance is stumping for Kamala now.
As Steven Wright puts it, 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.Originally Posted by mxleader
People shit on us lawyers, but we're the ones with the memory of what we actually are as a nation and where we've been. I don't think anybody else is in the job of actually remembering what a country is and has been through in all the little details. Even historians and journalists end up mythologizing it into a thumbnail version. Lawyers have to cite where practically every proposition comes from from yesterday to 250 years ago.
Forced landing versus he wont make alive to elections....
After that joke of a twitter conversation with Musk the other night, I don't think Don Snoreleoni is going to make it to election day. He might make it to his September 18 sentencing in NYC, but after that, the narcissistic injury will crush him.
He'll find someone to blame and back out, he will be removed by the RNC (highly unlikely), he will retreat to his garish, gold-leaf safe place, Mar a Lago, or he will be carted off on a stretcher or in a straight-jacket, after a massive public collapse, from the weight of his ego and all his lies.
I would prefer he ride the humiliation train right up to November 4th but I just don't think he will last that long.
Betting Pool, anyone?
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I was wondering whether their egos could coexist for long enough to conduct the interview. I guess so, but the result was unimpressive. Now that Biden is out of the race, Trump's own age-related decline is more evident. There's no way he's getting out of the race though. His personal stake is too high to abandon. He's got to be President again to get out of legal trouble, otherwise he may be headed to jail.
He doesn't want to get out of the race but I wonder if his junk-food stuffed body and crumbling mind will make it.
Tim Walz's first solo outing at a convention of the largest trade union for public workers in the US:
Silly Starker. Everyone knows Trump is the worker's best friend.
And the workers love Trump so much, they have nominated him for a special, federal commendation.
If they just get a few more tax cuts, maybe they will stop spending their billions on building luxury escape bunkers and buying social networks at exorbitant prices and spend some of it to benefit the ordinary people, somehow.
Desi Lydic makes fun of Project 2025 and its goals of making the US federal government more powerful and less accountable to the people:
Wait a minute, you're for reducing the federal government's powers now? When I preached about this, you derided it as "muh smol gubmint."Desi Lydic makes fun of Project 2025 and its goals of making the US federal government more powerful and less accountable to the people:
So hard to keep up with these NPC software updates....
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Which post are you quoting, RippedPhreak?
Expanded my quoted section in there. It's from the post right above mine.
Thank you. I saw that video early this morning so glossed over the post here and missed the 2nd half of the sentence. I'm lurgified today so that's my excuse.
Nobody who seeks the Presidency ever wants to have less power. Nor do their appointees, advisors, and coattail holders. Or their major donors. Project 2025 is all about changing the executive branch to give more power to the President. To me, it looks like a path to cronyism and corruption.
I'll have to look up what Project 2025 really says and see what I think about it. The front page has this:
Secure the border, finish building the wall, and deport illegal aliens
De-weaponize the Federal Government by increasing accountability and oversight of the FBI and DOJ
Unleash American energy production to reduce energy prices
Cut the growth of government spending to reduce inflation
Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress
Improve education by moving control and funding of education from DC bureaucrats directly to parents and state and local governments
Ban biological males from competing in women's sports
I'm guessing many of you will have issues with the last item, but the rest sound like common sense stuff so far.
That list is just a bunch of vague, feel-good promises. Politician talk. When you dig into the details you find several themes: - concentrate government powers in the Executive Branch (you know, tRump for King). - moving the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class (which would quickly reduce the size of the middle class and then where will the tax burden go? hmmmmm?) - eliminating the professionals and scientists presently providing strategic services to citizens and replace them with cronies. - privatise weather forecasting (hail to tRump's hurricane diverting Sharpie(tm). - give government a window/door into the bedrooms and examination rooms of citizens. - force impregnated rape victims (of any age) to carry their rapist's foetus to term. - throw infinite amounts of money at a border wall (I'd be more cool with this if it was along the 49th parallel).I'm guessing many of you will have issues with the last item, but the rest sound like common sense stuff so far.
And on and on...
A few 'get-started' Resources:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ts-to-science/
https://www.americanprogress.org/art...2025-by-state/
But there's always this learned discussion, if the above prove too weighty.
UPDATE: We can talk about what Project 2025 will do after you agree that we are going to do it.
Sounds legit to me. Nothing to see folks. Move a long or get pepper sprayed.As Project 2025 hits turmoil, the head of the influential, far-right Heritage Foundation is postponing the release of his potentially fiery new book until after the November presidential election.
Kevin Roberts, who took over Project 2025 as part of a leadership shake-up amid blowback over its recommendations for a potential Donald Trump White House, said Wednesday he is focused on defeating presumptive Democratic nominee Kamala Harris. Trump’s running mate JD Vancepenned the forward to Roberts’ book.
“There’s a time for writing, reading, and book tours — and a time to put down the books and go fight like hell to take back our country,” said Roberts, the president of Heritage Action who has been mentioned as a potential chief of staff in a Trump White House, in a statement.
Also by the same author. Note who wrote the foreword.
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A lot of this sounds like fear-propaganda language to me.Project 2025 is an authoritarian policy playbook to take over the federal government and enact a radical, far-right agenda that strips Americans of their rights and their ability to have a say in government or gain a foothold in the nation’s middle class. The plan consolidates power in the presidency by gutting the civil service; overruling the long-standing independence of government agencies; weaponizing the Department of Justice; and abolishing government agencies, such as the Department of Education, that support the public interest.
gutting the civil service: Firing some do-nothing government employees sounds fine to me, but it's more likely to be done via just letting people retire and not replacing them.
overruling the long-standing independence of government agencies: Agencies like the FBI, CIA, EPA have become a law unto themselves. Their job is supposed to be to carry out the President's orders. Reining them in is long overdue.
weaponizing the Department of Justice: It looks like they what they are talking about is using DoJ to go after local officials who don't enforce abortion laws? I don't agree with that and I doubt Trump does either. It would be a huge federal overreach. My view is: abortion is a state-by-state matter, so if anyone has any issues either way, talk to your governor and state legislature.
abolishing government agencies, such as the Department of Education: Department of Education has already comprehensively failed, so there's no point letting it continue.
No time to dig any deeper right now.
Hard to believe this video about Lord Dampnut reacting to Harris is from 4 years ago...
Sounds like someone who has only read the P-2025 cream-puff talking points, to me.A lot of this sounds like fear-propaganda language to me.
P-2025 proposes to eliminate pretty much ALL professional service providers of the government and replace them with Imperial Appointees... I mean Presidential appointees.Firing some do-nothing government employees sounds fine to me,
Oh really? Do tell. In detail.Agencies like the FBI, CIA, EPA have become a law unto themselves.
You don't need to make DJT the King to manage such departments.
If he disagrees it's only because he will be too busy going after women themselves...It looks like they what they are talking about is using DoJ to go after local officials who don't enforce abortion laws? I don't agree with that and I doubt Trump does either.
The existence of MAGAts is the best evidence to support this assertion. It's still just an opinion, unless you have data.Department of Education has already comprehensively failed, so there's no point letting it continue.
In my opinion, the cure is more and better public education, not less. And school lunches. Because what sort of monster would punish children for the struggles of their parents?
Hey! Now there are TWO opinions where only one existed previously.
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To use the EPA as an example: An agency like the EPA must never be an independent lawmaking body. Because people don't get to vote on who staffs and leads the EPA. People DO get to vote on who is president, thus the EPA's duty should be to simply carry out the president's policies. Because the people indicated their views via their votes. If the EPA will not follow Trump's orders they need to be fired or the whole agency must be dissolved.
I guarantee you Trump himself could not give 2 shits about abortion either way. I'm sure there are a few ultra-Christians in Congress who would love to ban it nationwide, but they'll never have the votes. The people in each state can now decide how it will be handled in their state.
As for Dept of Education: USA's education is garbage NOW, under the DoE. So getting rid of the DoE can hardly make things worse. Again, educational policies will be decided by each state and they will now be able to tailor their programs as they wish.
Non-argument argument. The EPA is NOT a legislative body and nobody is suggesting it should be made into one nor can it be made into a legislative body. It is a regulator and develops regulations based on the laws made by Congress and under Executive Orders of the President. What you are demanding already exists.An agency like the EPA must never be an independent lawmaking body.
Regulatory agencies are standard and necessary features of all normal elected governments. Government 101 - LAWS > Regulations > policies.
So you ignored the video clip of DJT demanding PUNISHMENT FOR WOMEN who have abortions? He clearly supports banning abortions. Derp.I guarantee you Trump himself could not give 2 shits about abortion either way.
There you go again, citing your opinion as fact. - Is it garbage? Compared to what, religious home-schooling? Private schools for those who can afford them? That does dovetail nicely into P-2025's push to loosen child labour laws, so we won't have all those starving waifs cluttering up the streets. Off to the mines with you, kiddos!USA's education is garbage NOW, under the DoE.
Could public education be better? Sure. Is it better than the Trumpian "I love the poorly educated" plan? Absolutely... IMHO.
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