let me know if i have the orders of thief universe right
precursors era = lore only
kathra-din era = lore only
pagan era = lore
dark project era
metal age era
deadly shadows era
3/6 eras are only lore and not playable
did i miss anything?
I like how Thief 4's era isn't even on the list as lore, much less playable, as if it's not even in the same universe or timeline. XD
I think it's technically supposed to be, though.
Edit: I wouldn't protest it being left off though. It's a weird reboot that doesn't feel like it's in the same universe even if they do try to hint that it is.
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I feel like the Kurshok should be somewhere instead of just a footnote of Pagan Era.
i was thinking about the kershok but i figured since they were a woodsie lord thing i added them with pagan era
and as far as thief 4, made me wanting to find out more after thief 4 and also a prequal to thief 1, probably kathra-din era would be best to fill in start of keepers/hammers/mages/etc
not sure we are ready for a precursor era game as seem we need more lore to make something that old make more sense
the reboot is not even in my list of thief games
also alot of key items were in thief 4, compendium, jacknals paw, the chalice, and others i wont list as people can wiki them
also we got lore on hag/shalebridge = since were never got to experience shalebridge in thief 1, but it was on map and we exited toward it on one mission north east of city
and the entire zombie thing was massive lore for that time period, amazing lore on kershok = yes i freed that one in thief 3 in that tiny jail
why did thief 3 jail map = bonus map , was so small, and getting into the jail i found 2 ways from guards in city or just jump in water by the little boat and appear in jail
the tree beast in thief 3 was the most epic thing ever went in circle around that place you have to knife the guy for blood = man just realized how brutal that pagan were in thief 3
death of artamus was a bit to much for me to take
I think Precursors and Karath Din can be merged into one
Thief 4 is on sale at GoG at the moment for only £3 (UK price = 4 euros) so am going to get it and replay
Personally I didn't have such an issue with it as others did, but I did find the city map horribly confusing and after a while I got bored of the game so never got to finish it, maybe this time?
fortuni thief 4 does not exist, there was a thief reboot game, where jenever was a bird
maybe you meant thief 3?
that would be interesting to merge precursors with karath-din era, would need a lot of exploration in game with mass lore, sounds great to me
but then i think you would also have to have pagans/murlock era in it as well, so we can visualize woodsie lord and murlocks as a group before they stole the kershock crown = yeah i stole it back in thief 3 :P
Thief2014 was never going to have the same feel as the originals. As a game it was completely redesigned from the ground up with new gameplay, systems, mechanics, movement, equipment etc. And in lore terms it is not even set in the same City or have the same characters.Originally Posted by demagogue
It is set in a future time where, by now, the original City has been built over with a new City and the original characters are gone (although the ruins of places from the original games and plenty of historical references to the original game characters can be found).
I am one of the people who actually liked Thief 2014 (although I do not rate it anywhere near as highly as the originals) but I think it would have been quite a feat to give it the same world feel as the originals, given the departures.
If, in Thief 2014, you think of the original City as being now the equivalent of the Lost City in the original games, then it might be interesting to see a game set in the Lost City era (when, presumably, it would have also been known as just "The City"?) and see if it could be given a 'same world' feel. I suspect that too might be tricky, without at least copying a lot of the original game systems and mechanics etc.
On another note, why are the original Thief games listed as being in different "eras"? Aren't they all set a couple of months apart? By the time of TDS, most of the Mechanist changes are gone. Surely an "era" has to be more than and last longer than a passing fad?
Karras's revolution was a kind of play off the Reformation, and in our own history you'd say that the medieval and Reformation periods were different eras (not to mention the Victorian vibe it added, which was a period of time still further away), and there's a kind of dramatic compression of time for plot reasons, but it represents two distinct cultures and aesthetics going on, so I think it's fair to label them as different eras and reading past the dramatic compression of time part of it.
Absolutely, T2 is easily decades apart from TDP/G aesthetically, though officially it only takes place a year or so after.
The Mechanists have an obvious Protestant character, but I always thought they were closest to Calvinism more specifically. I'm not the first to make the Calvinist connection
Essentially, the Mechanists are more or less a steam punk version of Protestantism; their leader is very similar to Martin Luther or John Calvin, the nobility see them as a way to make themselves richer and throw off the old religious order (much like the German nobles of the Reformation) and the Mechanists themselves are progressive whilst being arch-zealous at the same time, like many Calvinist Sects.
is it more important to have a pre thief 1 game = precursor/karath-din era/pagans/murlocs
or a post thief 3 game = thief 4 = not the reboot
i would personally like to see pre thief 1 game first then a post thief 3 game
Pre-T1 definitely. Garrett's life between leaving the Keepers and the Dark project era
if the pre thief 1 game was before garrett who in the lore would be a good fit to play?, and have it make sense to go on to garrett in thief 1
or could there be more then one pre thief 1 game since there is many era's, unless you jumped around in time with some kind of precursor magic???
Precursor/Karath-din era
Collapse of Karath-din
Humans are basically all pagans and living in fear of the Trickster and his beasts
Rise of the Builder - era of building cities begins
Trickster defeated by Hammerites led by the Builder (if he really existed)
Hammerite Imperium era - yes this needs to be canon, accept it! =)
Collapse of Imperium, power fragments to various city-states (Blackbrook, Cyric, Bohn, The City etc)
Black Parade/Dark Project Era
Metal Age
TDS
amazing rippedphreak, but you should also add post TDS era as , we are all wanting to know what happens next
and i am not sure the precursors and karath-din era were even close in time? i always figured no one was around when the precursors were around, and only there ruins were left with not much history? by the time karath-din era was around the precursor were only known from there ruins?
also not sure the start of woodsie lord, post karath-din era? not sure i remember anything of him in there history???
Is there a book based on Thief lore?
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