can someone please fix this entry on wiki, link inside

[downwinder]

i would say the rare spice is indoor high grade marijuana, but the regular spice in mid's

but some could say it connects to the dune universe and Captain Davidson is part of the spacing guide and brings it directly from Arrakis :P

[Azaran]

Mary Jane. I'm pretty sure it was confirmed, doesn't the item name have 420 or something?

[downwinder]

i have finally figured out how to prove 100% healing fruit are grapes, if you go in game and get the apple and healing fruit and place them next to each other, you will obviously see the size difference is way off for it to be a plum.

[Taylor]

The average plum is smaller than the average apple. However, the average grapes are a lot smaller than both apples and plums. So your argument actually states quite the opposite what you're trying to prove. Also grapes grow in clusters of dozen or more, which is definitely not true for the healing fruits which can't be found in quantities over 2 or 3. Plums on the other hand grow individually, which is also true for the healing fruits.

[downwinder]

The average plum is smaller than the average apple. However, the average grapes are a lot smaller than both apples and plums. So your argument actually states quite the opposite what you're trying to prove. Also grapes grow in clusters of dozen or more, which is definitely not true for the healing fruits which can't be found in quantities over 2 or 3. Plums on the other hand grow individually, which is also true for the healing fruits.

"a cluster of grape" is what the healing fruit is, not a single grape

plums grow on trees healing fruits don't

grapes grow on vines which can be on ground or on a trellis

no healing fruit in game ever has been on a tree

thank you taylor but you don't have all the facts of in game healing fruits as its obvious they are a cluster of grapes and not a single plum

and the whole reason the healing fruits are shaped like that is cause at that time no one would putting time into making them look like a cluster of grapes, they are more recent version people made of cluster of grapes but they look weird and also way more work to create them, at during the making of thief they had no time to make the cluster of grapes look real

and they just used the same model in thief 2 showing the time crunch they were under

[Azaran]

Can we just agree that healing fruits are their own thing, a plum-grape hybrid unique to the Thief universe?

[Cigam]

Maw plums might be a different size than regular plums. Or the world of Thief in general might have plums that are a different size than real world plums.

You can't prove that they are not plums by referencing real world fruit size comparisons.

That would be like taking the in-game sizw difference between spiders and humans, comparing it to the real world difference, and then concluding that the in-game creatures are therefore not spiders.

As for growing on trees, well we don't know where the plums that the ape beasts were talking about come from either. So we already have a precedent for a fruit with no obvious in-game source. Maybe the ape beasts collect them from somewhere else or Maw plums just originate from a different source than real world plums?

I'm not sure that the conclusion 'the healing fruit are not plums' is the sort of thing that can be logiced to by referencing the qualities and properties of real world plums.

[downwinder]

so the plums are different in thief universe but apple and bread are normal, i will pass on that belief

yes i can prove they not plums by how there never been on a tree in thief 1/g/2 always on ground even in the wild, not like someone is going to pick them all and lay them on ground for us to find

and since the apple are real world size and the beard is also normal size for a restaurant loaf i can compare the size to the healing fruit

they are many healing fruit we find in the wild on our journey they are never on a tree, never once has there been a healing fruit tree in thief 1/g/2 , and if you say there is no apple trees either, does not mean they not imported to the area as we never find apple in the wild in thief 1/g/2

the entire bases for them being plums is one conversation with some dumb ape's, nothing else as the thief 3 line in the book does prove anything as there is not one single healing fruit or plum in thief 3

in the end the wiki should if anything just say healing fruit then if no one can prove it, to add plums over a brief conversation is not cutting it for me, what if they meant the red plums maybe the apple aren't apples?

https://www.raleys.com/product/10701..._maxreflevel=3 <= red plum look exactly like the red apple in thief, so if anything the apples are plums the healing fruit is a cluster of grapes

in the end its about the wiki being wrong, i don't need it to say grapes but the plums refences should be removed

[Cigam]

We don't find the fruits on vines either. The same argument holds for them not being grapes.

This is a videogame. Developers are allowed to put in real world sized apples and create special magical plums that are different than real world plums.

Just like how they can create normal sized rats and larger spiders.

They are also allowed to place objects wherever they like, without paying any attention to the logic of it. The player can supply their own explanations as to how the fruit got there. That is still something you would need to do even if you insist that they are grapes, as they are in places that grapes would not naturally be found.

You also shouldn't assume that because something isn't programmed into the playable sections of a game world, then it does not exist in that world. We find no spiders in Thief DS either. You can't conclude anything from the lack of a findable in-game plum or healing fruit.

Yes there is only the ape beast conversation but that is all we really have to go on. They mention plums, they draw attention to them as an in-game fruit in that area.

Now here I would agree that there might be something to be said for the Wiki not taking a position either way, and simply calling them healing fruit.

But sometimes in games people refer to things by what has become their colloqually-accepted name, irrespective of developer intentions or proven accuracy.

People call that guard in Thief TDP / Gold Benny, even though there is no real proof that the guard is or was intended to be him.

Now if you want to argue that no-one should be calling that guard Benny in the original game, as there is no absolute proof that he is the same as the Thief II Benny, that would be one thing. Arguing that he can't be Benny because of some bit of logical reasoning that applies real world logic to videogames, would be another kettle of fish.

[downwinder]

you said it best wiki should not take the position of one thing when it is not confirmed it should be just healing fruit

and one last thing thief series is known for wine, are you telling me "my fav year" and all the other wines are plum wine's

i think people have gone so long believing that healing fruit are plums they aren't willing to accept they are wrong, kinda like how a lot of people see dewdrop as a girl, even though its 100% confirmed he is a boy

it reminds me of people who think the earth is flat and it bothers me, to me it obvious they grapes i am just shocked no one else sees it

we need a person from looking glass to confirm this mystery, i am not buying the thing i am reading at all