RC's are too pagan for Republicans.
Sadly true. Even their religion was spread at the point of a sword. I know Canada is ashamed of it's attempted eradication of local beliefs and the US should be but neither was as bad as the Spanish forced cultural takeover.Originally Posted by mxleader
We call it all Latin America, but the ethnicity is diverse. I think Mexico and most of central America is closer to half Spanish, half indigenous with a high percentage of Meztizo (mixed). Whereas Argentina and Uruguay are highly European. Argentina is Spanish and Italian with small pockets of indigenous. Peru is mostly indigenous. Guyana and Suriname have a lot of African slave descendants. Brazil is a melting pot of many different European ethnicities and indigenous. There are Asian populations in many different places.
I used to think that too until I read of the persecution of native populations. I'm sure there is some mixing... through various means. Odd that you say Peru is mostly indigenous when that is where so many natives were wiped out that Machu Picchu was built to hide from Spanish persecutors. How do they figure that? Are you going by skin color? Is it some whitewashing by those countries to deny the past? Pizzaro set quite the tone for the genocide that followed.
Machu Picchu substantially predates contact and was abandoned as the Peruvian population was decimated by war and disease post-contact. It seems that it has less European ancestry than, say, Argentina, simply by dint of having less immigration. Same with Ecuador. I wonder if it's mostly just because it's so much harder to sail around the cape?
It's why I can't take anyone from the Americas or Australasia seriously when they lecture other people about colonialism. If you feel that strongly about it, there are ample flights back to wherever your ancestors came from.
Colonialism has been used by all sorts of people, but only western colonialism is considered bad
Working in the human rights world, believe me the same hell is given to the badness of colonialism, majority-ethnicity-supremacy, and discrimination against pretty literally every indigenous group in every country in South, Southeast, and East Asia... Myanmar Burman supremacy, Chinese Han supremacy, India Hindu supremacy etc., etc.
Western colonialism is one input to the dysfunction, since usually after decolonization, the new establishment group inherits all the exploitative systems and just takes over the former colonizer's role. But if you get down to it, it's non-Western colonialism and just as bad as the original brand.
I'm sure there's a parallel story for South America, the Middle East, and Africa -- well I know some case studies -- but I haven't studied them as deeply.
Edit: The basic punchline is that there are general tendencies which can drive any society into authoritarianism, discrimination, and social exclusion which has a settler or power-group / colonized or excluded-group character as one part of that country's problems. If you want to identify the colonial-aspect of it, look for any language like "this X group can't be trusted to rule themselves. They're born and raised terrorists. Everybody is better off if our group is the one in charge." You don't have to get into the weeds about any history of migration, displacements, who controlled what piece of land at what time. That's colonialist rhetoric that drives very familiar "colonial" problems, and that's what people are talking about when they talk about it as a problem.
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While every culture has engaged in colonialism and kept slaves, European expansion, starting with the Conquistadors, was arguably the most devastating version to date. Combining technological superiority and unopposed diseases, it destroyed multiple civilizations and cultures, and an estimated fifty-six million people, following first contact in 1492.Colonialism has been used by all sorts of people, but only western colonialism is considered bad
The Pacific North West of North America was, in many ways, the last place on earth for European expansion. By the time Captain Cook arrived, 300 years after Columbus, smallpox, tuberculosis, measles, brought to the southern continent by the Spanish, had killed 80% to 90% of the indigenous populations on both continents.
Previously, individual warlords struck out on their own. In the 1500's an organized gang of thugs was unleashed on the globe, with ships and guns to get the job done. It was gluttony and cruelty on an industrial scale.
Eminent Domain was the name of the game. Basically, "I got here first". "I" being Europeans. The people who had lived there for millennia, didn't count. Later, when that argument wore thin, it was replaced with "terra nullius", recognizing the original inhabitants as members of the human species, waiting to be turned into real people.
This doctrine was foundational to the formal genocide to come, offering the First Peoples a choice between obscurity and servitude to the invader, or extinction.
So yeah, Western Colonialism, by any objective measure, far more deadly, thorough, cultural and methodical than the depredations of Alexander, Genghis Kahn, Atilla, or any other jolly sociopath with "Great" in their name.
The intent was always the same, but the circumstances and technologies of the 1500's made an impact like nothing in the past.
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I could have sworn it was Machu Picchu they fled to. Perhaps it was another Inca stronghold. It has been thirty years since I read about it. This is from WIKI and it was the European diseases that mostly killed the natives same as with those in the US.
"A consensus among archaeologists is that Pachacutec ordered the construction of the royal estate for his use as a retreat, most likely after a successful military campaign. Although Machu Picchu is considered to be a "royal" estate, it would not have been passed down in the line of succession. Rather it was used for 80 years before being abandoned, seemingly because of the Spanish conquests in other parts of the Inca Empire.[1] It is possible that most of its inhabitants died from smallpox introduced by travelers before the Spanish conquistadors even arrived in the area."
Oww do you mean lost history as this kind of history... you know where those ancient civilizations' tombs were found in the 1800s, later the Smithsonian came and whoops no more traces of Assyrian Egyptian, tomb artifacts, you name it VANISHED?
Hieroglyphs in Illinois
Another intriguing case revolves around the Burrows Cave, allegedly discovered in southern Illinois by Russell Burrows in the 1980s. The cave reportedly contained tablets covered in Egyptian-like hieroglyphs, as well as artifacts resembling ancient Egyptian relics.https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blo...und-in-america
Archaeologists are in Disbelief! Ancient Egyptians Found in America
May 11, 2023
In a groundbreaking discovery that could rewrite history, archaeologists have unearthed enigmatic artifacts at the heart of the Grand Canyon, suggesting an astonishing connection between the majestic natural wonder and the distant world of Ancient Egypt. This unprecedented find raises a million questions, as researchers delve deeper into the mysterious intersection of two vastly different civilizations, separated by oceans and time, yet brought together by the sands of the canyon.
You know just thinking out loud you know, but makes you wonder a bit.....
...How does anybody read that and come to any other conclusion than that Russell Burrow was full of shit?
People can claim all kinds of crazy things. For something to be history, it has to have actual evidence to back it up.
Ok so how about the CIA (in the late 40s and 50) looking for Hitler who ran away to Argentina and later Chile (heck there were even eyewitnesses of him but without the mustache), as they were looking for the "Amerika Bombers" in Germany at least one prototype (this airplanes had the autonomy to reach America, hence their name) was missing, hint, maybe it was used by Hitler to escape?
Just as they tried so hard to kill Hitler and failed in more than 20 times, either this dude was very lucky or he had a destiny to fulfill.
Or maybe he had a lot of stunt doubles. And the Soviets were just interested in the monetary award for the team who nabbed the guy and killed him.
As a later analysis done by the US scientists revealed that the supposed Hitler's corpse was a female body, sorry Stalin your buddies screw up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerikabomber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_400
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Maybe you should start an Alternate history thread.
Throw in alternate archaeology with some dino footprints next to early man prints, giant bones, and hammers in million year old rock, maybe a cave painting of Jesus riding a Plesiosaurus during the great flood and I think you got the makings of a memorable thread.
I take it you don't deem the CIA searching around south America for Adolph H. as anything relevant at all eh?
Oh I'm as certain that people made up wild ass stories as I am that some low level operative had to follow them to their inevitable conclusion, as happens in any police investigation, so with the CIA. Do I believe every might and maybe simply because they are uttered? No. Ava Von Braun was burned as well so that would account for female DNA. Keeping someone hidden for decades would make a good movie perhaps, but is highly unlikely.
What the CIA was investigating was pretty much Soviet disinfo. Russian intelligence operations immediately started spreading several different versions of the death as well as stories that Hitler was alive and living in Spain, somewhere in South America, being sheltered by the Allied Powers, etc. It was very simple -- Hitler (and Nazism) being alive and, more crucially, on the other side of the Iron Curtain, the enemy's side, was ideologically beneficial for the Soviets.
CIA did all kinds of other stupid shit, such as trying to investigate paranormal powers that Soviets claimed they had discovered. It is not a trustworthy or a credible organisation at the best of times.
In any case, the one direct proof we do have, the dental remains in Soviet archives, are pretty much a perfect match with the x-rays taken of Hitler's teeth during the war.
Reminded me of the Los Lunas stone, a stone in New Mexico, inscribed with the Ten Commandments in paleo-Hebrew, an obvious but very craftily done 19th century hoax
My theory is this was created by Mormons to give credence to their stories that ancient Israelites had visited North America
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