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Thread: T1 FM: Calendra's Cistern (questions thread)

  1. #1
    Totality
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    T1 FM: Calendra's Cistern (questions thread)

    Okay, just so we don't leave spoilers lying about please post any problems or questions here, and we will do our best to answer them.
    In case a thread-search doesn't prove useful, you can also consult
    - the walkthrough (compiled by Nightwalker and ThiefKiller) at http://thiefmissions.com/walkthroughs/calendra.html or
    - the lootlist (by Klatremus) at http://home.online.no/~ajnilsen/hn/CC_L.htm for help.

    BTW This thread is SPOILER INTENSIVE. If you have not yet played the level, or have not got very far, I suggest you mail us personally.

    General comments and feedback can be posted in the release thread. There you will also find download links.


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    Last edited by nickie; 2nd Nov 2012 at 05:23. Reason: added updated links

  2. #2
    camelhammer
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    Okay, here's the first spoiler:

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    Where's the sewer entrance? I've looked around the entire beginning area, but I cant find it, nor can I find any more gate switches.

  3. #3
    Sarik
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    hardly a problem, but you can climb the hillspeak museum roof and reach for the sky, litteraly.

    Spoilor . . .

    What do you do in the church? I haven't the slightest clue. Where does the key to Lady Calendra's go

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  4. #4
    Avalon
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    The in-game store has an awful bug.
    To my knowledge, when you run out of loot to spend, everything becomes unfrobbable in there.
    However, when you return with more loot, just about everything is still unfrobbable. Even the things you can afford. In fact, all that frobbed for me were the 4 quivers.

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  5. #5
    cdfbr
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    sorry avalon your wrong there frobable when you got the "Gold" goods and gems dont count and thats a big bug but thats good cause if you spend it then youll never beat the level cause you will not have enough money so thats why is like that

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  6. #6
    dkessler
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    Sarik: Did you not listen to the conv b/t
    Mercedes and you? She told you, or rather "you" told her what to do with the key once you have it. Go explore the level.
    You do not need spoilers for this one,
    believe me. Even during beta, I figured out things very quickly.
    Have fun

  7. #7
    Sarik
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    What is the guest book supposed to do? I signed it and people still attacked me! Is this supposed to happen?

    Also, am I supposed to explore the party BEFORE I meet Mercedes twice, or after? This is awfuly confusing me. It seems that you can do both, but I just want to have it right

    -Thanks

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  8. #8
    TLuk
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    In the area 18 or 19, I entered a house with the pent.I tried to locate the numbers to open a number lock system. After serveral clickings it suddenly shut down the Darkloader(v 3.0) and was back to the desktop. No warnings. Is this a CC bug or the Darkloader 3.0's bug?
    I just start to play and have to say the CC is very beautful. Thanks, purah's team!!

  9. #9
    Viper6
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    Bug or deliberate?

    I go into the wine cellar and find Mercedes. Conversation is not very clear. Then she dissapears out the door. I find the door, open it, go down the stairs, and it sounds like whe's having the same conversation with me but I'm not replying. Then she walks away.

    To my right, two AI's are attempting to walk in opposite directions through a closed gate.

    Man, there's a lot of guards in this place, and me without a sword, and not a bunch of broadheads either. They're not very bright, and if I run, I can hide in dark corners, watch, and listen. Do I, thin the herd, or sneak around in the shadows looking for clues. With some, it's easy. Lead them near water and they fall in and drown, or can't get out of the troth.

  10. #10
    Sarik
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    Exact same thing happened to me too . . . I restarted the game from beginning and it was fixed. By the way, in what order is this supposed to go (No, this is not a puzzle)
    (This could be a bad spoilor if I am doing this right)

    1) Talk to Mercedes
    2) Jump into the main pipe
    3) Meet that mage spider (Red Spider)
    4) Speak to Mercedes again, and not understand anything she's saying (Her voice is clear, but she seems to talk about things I haven't encountered yet)
    5) Go through the graveyard
    6) Find the head and give it . . . something (I know)
    7) Go through the basement.
    8) see Lady Calendra through the door.

    . . . Or . . .
    something else.

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  11. #11
    Sarik
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    Please help me, I'm spending hours on this part!
    I'm not good at thinking

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  12. #12
    Totality
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    I am slightly confused about the conversation with mercedes - we did debate about wether to allow the player to enter the party before the conversation finished, but it was decided that making the lever invisible until the end of the conversation would be too confusing for the player, so if you skip ahead you automatically get your objectives set, etc. We assumed that if you were playing for the first time you would wait for the end of the conv before running off.

    I am unsure though about what people are reporting - did the whole conversation play twice? That did happen once but seemed to be an isolated incident due to the AIWatchobj triggers playing up.

    The gate will sometimes act up, especially if more than one person tries to go through it at once.

    The device that you are referring to worked fine in the latter stages of beta testing but it is possibly processor intensive, could I ask what system you have
    TLuk?

    (and cdfbr is correct, you can only spend gold at the store, though it is possible that some actual GOLD loot is not linked up correctly (Totality says in a small voice), my priority was on fixing critical play stopping bugs)


    [This message has been edited by Totality (edited July 06, 2000).]

  13. #13
    Totality
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    Okay, here's one to make notice of:-

    Farkus the shop keeper absoltuely loves big gold nuggets so much he gives extra money in the store for them. So though they actually say they're 500 gold there really worth 600 gold to Farkus.

    Actually, what has happened is that I set a 100 LootStim on the goldnugget archtype, and then forgot that it had the stim and added another 500 one on the concrete object - 500 + 100 = 600.

    Sorry about that. You could fix it yourself if you are inclined to, object 1844 to be precise, change the loot stim from 500 to 400. I would only bother if you are dromed way inclined, not really worth the trouble otherwise.

    (Though I doubt whether anyone has actually got that loot piece yet)

  14. #14
    Totality
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    Sarik, that order is as good as any other (I think you can visit the graveyard earlier if you spot how), but there's a conversation that plays between Lady C and Dillan before you go to her house which should help to explain things.

  15. #15
    garblegoyle
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    A problem came up towards the end (though I haven't finished the level, this is near the end I'm assuming). In the area with the boulder, a loud sound loop is played that sounds like an earthquake. Even after thoroughly exploring the area, trekking back up to Farkus's shop, exiting and reloading, I still can't get rid of this sound.

    This doesn't mean that this isn't the best level I've ever played, within any game. I just don't want to miss anything.

  16. #16
    SilentSleep
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    I just finished downloading it and I haven't got very far, but I think I broke it...

    My loot isn't counting down when I buy things in the store. At first I thought I was getting everything for free, but after a few reloads I realised I was being stopped from buying things at the right time. Was this intentional?

    I got into the bar by bashing down the front door with my blackjack, and the cellar the same way.

    After the conversation with Mercedes(?), she got badly stuck in the door. I had to frob the switch a few times to get her out.

    Then, I pushed past a barrel into a dome-shaped room, where Mercedes was getting hacked to bits by 5 or more guards. Mission failed. I'm off to reload now.

  17. #17
    Totality
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    erm, SilentSleep, may I ask where you downloaded from?

    The bugs you are describing are all pre-final bugs, maybe a versioning error has occurred. Admittedly some of the bugs were quite strange (aiwatchobj triggering when they shouldn't)

    Pehraps it is just acting up on your machine.
    I take it clean mission installation, running from thief...what spec pc do you have?

  18. #18
    Chiller
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    Where is Lord Alhazard's mansion ? Am I the only one not able to find it ?

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  19. #19
    SilentSleep
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    I got it from Purah's site after he posted here... actually, there's a file in the zip called update7.txt, that mentions some beta problems. Is that in everybody's version?

    It's getting frustrating. Whatever I do, Mercedes gets killed after the conversation, and I fail. God, I hope I don't have to download it again.

    My installation's fine, I reinstalled after I finished that mission I did, and I've played through a few Fms no problem. Spec is 350 Mhz K6-2, 64 Mb ram, Riva TNT2 32Mb.

    [This message has been edited by SilentSleep (edited July 06, 2000).]

  20. #20
    pbucko
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    This is a problem, I have cistern on a zip I just downloaded at work, but Im at work so I cant play it.

    Oh ****!

  21. #21
    TLuk
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    PC Spec: Intel PII-300, 160 RAM, Voodoo3 16M Graphic card. I downloaded the CC from purah'site (Total 33.7Mb) as silentsleep did.

  22. #22
    dkessler
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    Silent Sleep:

    the problem that M is being hacked to pieces
    was indeed a beta bug. However, I,too, downloaded from Purah's site, and I just finished the whole mission on "Garrett".
    w/o any problems whatsoever.
    I never beta tested the mission on Normal
    so perhaps you are playing it on a lower difficulty setting? Or try to download the
    version w/o the movies.


  23. #23
    SilentSleep
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    I am playing on normal actually. I always start out on normal now and work my way up, after playing the mages area .

    I'll give it a shot on hard.

  24. #24
    camelhammer
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    Okay, I've pretty much blackjacked EVERYBODY except calendra (Great Party, huh? ), and I cant figure out wher I'm supposed to go. I've even chacked out all the sewers, which just leads me back to the city, or to a gate near that exploding frog that I cant open. I'd be able to get past this if I knew where calendra's key went.

  25. #25
    Sarik
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    I'm having the same problem . . . help!
    Where does her key go??


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