TetraCorp: A Division of Tri-Optimum

[terrannova]

TetraCorp was purchased by the Tri-Optimum Corporation sometime before System Shock II and probably several decades after the events in System Shock I.

TetraCorp may have actually already been a division of Tri-Optimum because their symbols (insignias) and names are so similar.

TetraCorp = 4 = 4 Sided Square with Lines
Tri-Optimum = 3 = 6 Sided Triangle with Lines

There is no proof to confirm this, but the very thought of the Von Braun & Rickenbacker's keypads and lift/engine controls are TetraCorp, meaning, TetraCorp, you are a division of the powerful and newly re-licensed Tri-Optimum Corporation!

[Fixer]

SS2 Manual: "...the dwindling resources of the skeletal TriOptimum Corporation..."
terrannova: "... the powerful and newly re-licensed Tri-Optimum Corporation!"
(emphasis mine)

One's right, and I say smart money's on the manual.

TetraCorp may have actually already been a division of Tri-Optimum because their symbols (insignias) and names are so similar.

The only similarity in the names is the numerical prefix, and for all we know they were just a series: Unisys, BiGcompany, TriOptimum, TetraCorp, PentCo. As for the logo similarity:
<img src="http://www.cingular.com/cingular/images/logo_2level2.gif" alt="Cingular: X-Man!"></img>
<img src="http://w.eimg.com/mesp/images/excite/excite-tyo-logo-blk.gif" alt="Excite: X-Man!"></img>

This one actually went to court and resulted in Disney changing the Go Network logo:
<img src="http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/graphics/library/9902/goto0.jpg" alt="GoTo Considered Harmful"></img>

There is no proof to confirm this, but the very thought of the Von Braun & Rickenbacker's keypads and lift/engine controls are TetraCorp, meaning, TetraCorp, you are a division of the powerful and newly re-licensed Tri-Optimum Corporation!

There is no proof to confirm this, but the very thought of my laptop's hard drive is IBM, meaning, IBM, you are a division of the powerful Dell Computer Corporation!

Translation into English: Outsourcing still exists in the 22nd century. Deal with it.

[This message has been edited by Fixer (edited January 22, 2001).]

[terrannova]

You must not have played Shock 2 enough to realize, that the "skeletal" remains of the Tri-Optimum Corporation enver did exist. The Manual conflicts with e-mails in the game.

Tri-Optimum's Mercenaries along with hundreds of allied Corporations managed to keep from selling out to the UNN. Yes. In the years 2080 to 2114, the UNN was indeed more powerful.

The UNN DID indeed try to destroy Tri-Optimum and succeeded only in taking out small corporations...

In Shock 2, Anatoly Korenchkin is far more powerful character than William Bedford Diego. CEO Korenchkin is basically the boss. Remember, that Korenchkin also made it look like Tri-Op was helpless. The UNN Stormtroopers did not realize that Korenchkin had "revived" Citadel Station Cyborg Assassin plans. 1 CA is basically a 10 man army.

We also find out in Shock 2 that Tri-Optimum had purchased TetraCorp.

-Electronics for Lifts Are TetraCorp
-Keypads are TetraCorp
-We find out that the freezer's in the Dining Areas of the Von Braun <coolers> are filled with "Tetra" freezers.

In real life, Microsoft does not put EA symbols over their HQ or for their elevators or their security locks. It's Microsoft. The only way they would is if they were bought out. Much like Westwood becoming a Division of EA. Westwood still keeps the name, but EA owns it and it also retains Westwood's symbols & insignia's & themes & games.

There is absolutely no reason not to why the TetraCorp Corporation could have been bought out. Of Course it was. It's the most logical reason.

For if it was bigger than Tri-Op, it would be mentioned in an E-Log. if it was not bought out by Tri-Op, they would have mentioned it in the manual or in another e-log. But because it's part of Tri-Op, it is unnecessary to discuss in basically anything.

Much like the UEM. I thought it was big because of 1 key word "conglomerate." Usually this means "huge" for an "organization." But UEM presence in Shock 2 is not there, so I suppose they're either small or got taken over by UNN.

System Shock 2 also has Marie Delacroix complaining to CEO Korenchkin in an E-Log Transmission,

"Anatoly, whatever's on Tau Ceti V, it's bigger than Tri-Optimum, it's bigger than the UNN, and it's bigger than You."

mmmm. Wait a minute, Delacroix worked for the UNN. Why would she say Tri-Optimum first? Could it be because it's a bigger organization in the long run? I think so!

"forget about land grants, forget about patents." CEO Korenchkin states clearly that Tri-Optimum is still far capable of what it used to. Tri-Optimum is NOT a dwindling skeletal "form" of it's former self. Tri-Optimum is bigger than ever.

Whatever happens after the Von Braun incident is one of the following

-The UNN get Blamed for the incident, and they eventually die out
-Tri-Optimum is found to be at fault for the incident and turns back to other corporations for help as in 2075-2090.
-Sol System never finds out what happened. Even Tri-Op HQ is befuddled as to WHAT happened to their prized Von Braun. UNN Strategists think that Tri-Op is keeping information from them while Tri-Optimum thinks vice-versa.
-Von Braun returns to Earth in perfect condition. SHODAN, having highly extensive knowledge, makes a huge hologram of the entire crew on board the Von Braun. It makes everything look like nothing ever happened. SHODAN then downloads her entity into Tri-Optimum's patented ComNet.

Can u say, Shock IV?

One thing is in the clear. With the SHODAN patent closed <following the Tri-Optimum Incident of 2072>, Tri-Optimum will eventually make a successor. One that is perfect and willing to obey Human Command. And as long as it can hold onto that, Tri-Optimum is Forever.

Science

Military

Consumer

T R I O P T I M U M

T E R R A N N O V A

[lunatic96]

I rather have System Shock 3 first. Don't wanna play the games out of order.

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The Glory of the Many demands your capture.

[Shrieker]

Delacroix worked for UNN? DELACROIX WORKED FOR UNN? DELACROIX WORKED FOR UNN?
Well, maybe I am little slow, but I thought all the time that D. was a TriOp employee.

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Beware the Dawn of the Shrieker Age!

[This message has been edited by Shrieker (edited January 23, 2001).]

[Disenchanted]

No, she'd be saying them in ascending order, not descending order. Saying bigger than you is sortta an ego poke because Korenchin was on an ego trip that put him, in his mind, above everything.

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Save the environment, recycle your neighbours.

[Fixer]

You must not have played Shock 2 enough to realize, that the "skeletal" remains of the Tri-Optimum Corporation enver did exist. The Manual conflicts with e-mails in the game.

No, it doesn't. They're still around, and they're still a huge corporation, but they're a shadow of their former self. I've been trying to think of a modern-day example for you, and the best fit that comes to mind is Apple. They used to be a huge force in the personal computer industry. They're still around, and they still sell the same sort of stuff today that they did in the 1980s, but they control less than five percent of that market.

Tri-Optimum's Mercenaries along with hundreds of allied Corporations managed to keep from selling out to the UNN.

Yes. Thirty years ago--when TriOp was still the largest corporation in existence--they contributed more than anyone else to the war against the UNN. They've been in a state of steady decline ever since, though. The Citadel Incident destroyed their public image and cost them mind-boggling sums of money. Hell, these days they can't even build a ship on their own. (Whether or not you think TriOp owns TetraCorp, the narration for the first cutscene establishes that the ship is not 100% TriOp.)

Yes. In the years 2080 to 2114, the UNN was indeed more powerful.

Yes, although the war ended in a truce, it's clear that the UNN holds the real power.

The UNN DID indeed try to destroy Tri-Optimum and succeeded only in taking out small corporations...

Again, correct. The UNN attempted to take over all business operations on Earth, which was the direct cause of the Corp Wars. Just because TriOptimum survived the Corp Wars, though, does not mean they are as powerful as they were in 2072. In 2072, TriOptimum was arguably the most powerful entity in the world. In 2114, that title goes to the UNN.

In Shock 2, Anatoly Korenchkin is far more powerful character than William Bedford Diego. CEO Korenchkin is basically the boss. Remember, that Korenchkin also made it look like Tri-Op was helpless. The UNN Stormtroopers did not realize that Korenchkin had "revived" Citadel Station Cyborg Assassin plans. 1 CA is basically a 10 man army.

Point? Yes, Korenchkin is more important in his organization than Diego is in his--Korenchkin is TriOp's CEO; Diego is a rear admiral and favorite for a ministerial position in the next election. This has no bearing whatsoever on the power of their respective organizations; it just shows that TriOp had more invested in this mission than the UNN.

We also find out in Shock 2 that Tri-Optimum had purchased TetraCorp.

No, we don't. It is never stated, and all the evidence points to the contrary once you've grasped the concept of sales.

-Electronics for Lifts Are TetraCorp
-Keypads are TetraCorp
-We find out that the freezer's in the Dining Areas of the Von Braun are filled with "Tetra" freezers.

In real life, Microsoft does not put EA symbols over their HQ or for their elevators or their security locks. It's Microsoft. The only way they would is if they were bought out. Much like Westwood becoming a Division of EA. Westwood still keeps the name, but EA owns it and it also retains Westwood's symbols & insignia's & themes & games.

This is the most asinine analogy I've ever read. Of course the elevators at Microsoft headquarters don't sport EA logos; Electronic Arts does not make elevators. However, every one of the elevators at One Microsoft Way has a plate somewhere wth the name of the company that manufactured it--and it isn't Microsoft.

Do you not understand the concept of one company purchasing a product from another company? If a Microsoft employee locks something in a file cabinet and secures it with a padlock, it will say "Master" and not "Microsoft". If a Microsoft employee syncs his PDA to his desktop at work, the PDA will have a logo that reads "Compaq" or "Hewlett Packard" or "Casio". Microsoft didn't put those logos there, the companies that made those products did.

There is absolutely no reason not to why the TetraCorp Corporation could have been bought out. Of Course it was. It's the most logical reason.

The only proof of this you've offered is the fact that TetraCorp products appear on a TriOptimum vessel. By this line of thinking, Dell, Palm, Qualcomm, Sharp, Sony, Bausch & Lomb, Fellowes, Philips, Random House, and O'Reilly are all divisions of FixerCorp, because I can see their logos if spin around in this chair.

What? They're not? Of course they are. It's the only logical conclusion! Their products are in a container belonging to me!

For if it was bigger than Tri-Op, it would be mentioned in an E-Log.

Why? They've got nothing to do with the mission. (And what if they're the same size as or smaller than TriOp, hrm?)

if it was not bought out by Tri-Op, they would have mentioned it in the manual or in another e-log.

Again, TetraCorp has no bearing on the mission. Unless the manual has a section "Appendix G: Companies not Purchased by TriOptimum, 2072-2114", there's no more reason to mention TetraCorp than there is to tell you the names of the two people you see through the window at Ramsey.

But because it's part of Tri-Op, it is unnecessary to discuss in basically anything.

Which would you expect to see on the news? AOL buying out Time-Warner, or AOL not buying out Boeing?

Much like the UEM. I thought it was big because of 1 key word "conglomerate." Usually this means "huge" for an "organization." But UEM presence in Shock 2 is not there, so I suppose they're either small or got taken over by UNN.

Actually, "conglomerate" just means a corporation made up of several companies; it doesn't have to be large. And just because it's not mentioned in SS2 doesn't mean it doesn't exist; after all, there's quite obviously more to the universe than the UNN, TriOp, and TetraCorp.

System Shock 2 also has Marie Delacroix complaining to CEO Korenchkin in an E-Log Transmission,

"Anatoly, whatever's on Tau Ceti V, it's bigger than Tri-Optimum, it's bigger than the UNN, and it's bigger than You."

mmmm. Wait a minute, Delacroix worked for the UNN. Why would she say Tri-Optimum first? Could it be because it's a bigger organization in the long run? I think so!

First off, Ms. Delacroix was a researcher in the employ of TriOptimum and the chief engineer on the Von Braun. She did not work for the UNN. And as far as order of importance, Disenchanted nailed it on the head.

"forget about land grants, forget about patents." CEO Korenchkin states clearly that Tri-Optimum is still far capable of what it used to.

He states that what's on Tau Ceti V is a major coup for TriOp. And remember, he's the CEO of TriOptimum; of course he's going to insist that things are better than they ever were and getting insanely greater every day.

Tri-Optimum is NOT a dwindling skeletal "form" of it's former self. Tri-Optimum is bigger than ever.

Again, you've offered virtually no proof. And between you and canon, I'll take canon.

Whatever happens after the Von Braun incident is one of the following
(snip)
Can u say, Shock IV?

There are many more potential scenarios than the four you listed. And I think we ought to have SS3 before SS4.

One thing is in the clear. With the SHODAN patent closed , Tri-Optimum will eventually make a successor. One that is perfect and willing to obey Human Command.

This depends largely on what happens as an upshot of the Von Braun disaster. If FTL drive doesn't succeed, TriOp will likely continue its slow decline into nothing. If the whole story comes out, TriOp is not going to be in any position (financially or legally) to develop another sentient AI. If it's discovered that the XERXES AI was used by a hostile force to hijack a UNN ship, the AI field is going to be stagnant for decades.

But more importantly, no human creation will ever be perfect--and do remember that SHODAN was the model of obedience prior to April 2072.

[This message has been edited by Fixer (edited January 23, 2001).]

[terrannova]

All I know is that I have played System Shock I and II more than you and since they are my most favorite games ever, I will have my own opinion.

You can too.

I am basing this upon the way it should be and the way I like it.

Terrannova

forgetrealism!

[MANY KILLER]

Delaxroi did work on UNN. She was main designer on ftl desingn. When trioptinium get idea of ftl, they ofcorse want build their own, FTL design ship so after sort of
fight whit unn , UNN let Tri Optinium do
Won Braun, but they send rickenbucker to
guard tri optinium, and its people and delakroi camed to as main engineer.

IN END OF 2 DEMO (news flash) sreen go black
and voice : this is --marie delaxroi AS AN UNN CONTROL, the hole ship has been compromise, do not let ship reatch earth at any secuntansis, i dont no whats it workin here). (the message you did send).!!!


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[Fixer]

MANY KILLER, Delacroix was a researcher working under grant from TriOptimum when she developed FTL drive. The Von Braun is TriOp's ship and the only FTL vessel in existence. The UNN Rickenbacker doesn't have FTL drive; it just rode piggyback.

Delacroix's exact words in the cutscene are:
"This is Dr. Marie Delacroix of the UNN Von Braun. We've been hijacked by an unknown force. Ship's security has been compromised. Do not allow the ship (fshhhzzzzzt). Repeat, do not allow the ship to leave under any circumstances. I don't know what we're up against here."

The "UNN" prefix on the Von Braun does suggest it's a UNN vessel, but that idea is contradicted by other plot elements. I think this was an oversight on the part of the developers, who referred to it as the "FTL Von Braun" elsewhere, but the best explanation is that after things hit the fan, the UNN officially took command of the mission, placing the VB under UNN jurisdiction.