C5 Properly Paranoid - Mar 2004

[Bumbleson]

Originally posted by comfortably numb
I didn't get the 'prime time baby' hint to start with[/SPOILER]

Ever heard of prime numbers?

But I have to admit I didn't get the hint either, but somehow (Hey, I'm proud of that ) I figured out what the numbers on the floor meant without looking at the ceiling.

[GlasWolf]

Waah! I'm 48 short of the 1300 target (gold, judging by the non-round number) on expert. I have the

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3 fountain coins, plus the hammer, torc and gem in the hammer room.

Any awkward loot I might have missed? I'm rubbish at loot hunts!

[Nightwalker]

Let's see:

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Upper Floor- office - coins in a box in the office
Main floor - Scepter at the end of the hallway, painting in workshop, paintings in Art Gallery, Room with Talisman holder outside - 7 masks
Room with empty display counters (push button behind the left one without getting hit by the trap) - jars

That's about it I think, besides the stuff you mentioned you already had.

[GlasWolf]

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"Room with empty display counters (push button behind the left one without getting hit by the trap) - jars"

Oh thank you ma'am. *bows*

On to the last one for me now - The Haunting.

[Gregorius]

I've found a simple way to avoid arrow traps, just

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put a Combat Bot corpse to block arrows

now it is a piece of cake

I have opened a door with my sword (the one that is not frobbable), and there are

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four elemental symbols, but I have no gas arrow left

Is there something interesting?? Should I restart from beginning?

I have

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illuminated torches in hammer room

but nothing happened! Some explosive charge should appear there?

[Nightwalker]

Gregorius -

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You shouldn't have had to open the door to the room with the elemental symbols with your sword. I think it's pickable. There should be one of each type of arrow in there, on the shelves. If you used the gas arrow for something else, then I guess you won't be able to get the secret in that room.

As for the explosive devices, they are only there on Expert.

[The Rogue Wolf]

Well, this one's REALLY got me. I understand that some of the doors are sealed on the Klepto skill level, but still... I've only managed around 500 gold out of 1400. So far:

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I've lit the torches in the Hammer room (nothing happened), gotten the paintings and the coins in the fountain, and opened the safe via the harps. I'm honestly at a loss as to where to go next- my only apparent option is an unpickable door with a button besides it, which I think controlled an elevator.

Please help? It's a beautiful FM, but abjectly maddening.

[Moghedian]

Originally posted by The Rogue Wolf
Well, this one's REALLY got me. I understand that some of the doors are sealed on the Klepto skill level, but still... I've only managed around 500 gold out of 1400. So far:

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I've lit the torches in the Hammer room (nothing happened), gotten the paintings and the coins in the fountain, and opened the safe via the harps. I'm honestly at a loss as to where to go next- my only apparent option is an unpickable door with a button besides it, which I think controlled an elevator.

Please help? It's a beautiful FM, but abjectly maddening.

When the torches were lit you should have gotten

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a torc and a lc_gem off the back wall

Did you get the

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prized firepoker? It is at the far end of the magic missle hall

Please search around a little more. You should also have

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stolen some masks from your Mummy - bad boy !

and

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stole something from some orphans

You are playing on Klepto ? And have the scripts installed ?

[The Rogue Wolf]

You are playing on Klepto ? And have the scripts installed ?

Yep, I downloaded all the scripts from KoMaG.

When the torches were lit you should have gotten

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a torc and a lc_gem off the back wall

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Err... nope. Lit all four torches, never found a thing.

Did you get the

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prized firepoker? It is at the far end of the magic missle hall

Yep.

Please search around a little more. You should also have

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stolen some masks from your Mummy - bad boy !

Um. What? I never saw anything like that.

and

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stole something from some orphans

Yeah, I'm evil.

Maybe I just messed something up somewhere. It might just be better to restart.

EDIT: Okay, I figured out what was wrong.

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The torches might not have worked because I had to use two flares to light them up. And I couldn't get in the mummy's room because I'd placed the "Death Ward" on it before trying to open the door.

But I'm still under 1,000 loot and with that door still locked. What am I missing?

[Gregorius]

Nightwalker: I have

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used arrows in the first "elemental" room and found secret

But there is another

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"elemental" room

closed with non-frobbable door, but nothing happens there - checked myself.

There is a BUG in

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Hammer room

I've lit all the torches with firearrows and nothing happened! (playing Expert)
So I've loaded some older savegame, and lit the torches with flares this time. And sudenlly it works! Explosive appears and some loot on the wall too

[Nightwalker]

I don't know which other "elemental" room you are referring to, I'm afraid and you've obviously discovered a small bug in the torch room. I'll remember that. Thanks for posting what you figured out!

[Bad_Demographic]

The other "elemental" room is in the same corridor as the "death ward" room and the "urn" room. Just keep going down the hall - you'll see a non-frobable door. If you break down the door and go in, you'll see elemental tiles: one one each wall (except the wall with the door) and one on the ceiling.

I never did find all the loot. I'm consistently short by about 50.

[Nightwalker]

I didn't break into that room so hadn't seen it. I didn't play the final release on the middle setting, where you have to kill everyone and just assumed you got into that room on that setting. In the beta, there was another small puzzle in that room. I don't know why it's locked up in the final but there's no loot associated with it on Expert or Normal.

You're short 50g. of the total loot? That's strange because there's not much worth 50g. in the mission unless perhaps

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one of the masks in the room that you lock with the Death Ward is worth that much. I didn't keep track of them seperately, just as a total. There are 7 of them.

[LeBaron]

I have all but one item I need to end this mission, but I seem to be the only one who cannot open the box in the armory. What have I missed that gets me into the box? Thank you.

[Jabberwocky]

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You have to shoot the symbol with the correct arrow. ie fire arrow to fire symbol.

If the sybmols are confusing:

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take a quick dash in there on Klepto, and the arrows are on the correct shelf to start with

Some evil Poo-Pu Noggin mixed them up for the harder settings.

[Ponterbee]

I started Moth To A Flame a couple days ago but when I'm done I'm going for this one next...This FM sounds FUN. My God...so many FM's and only one brain. waaaahhhhhhhh.....! I still haven't played Thief Noir yet either!!!!

[bloodyzeppelins]

I just finished this one and I have to say that its probably one of my favorite fan missions. The puzzles were so much fun, and the atmosphere was perfect. It reminded me of going through an old adventure game. I'm thinking of going through on the other two difficulties now.

[bobber]

How do you open the locked door with the elevator button? Is that the way to the basement people have mentioned? Also, I used my only fire arrow to destroy the watcher next to the harp room. Are there any more fire arrows?
Thanks!

[Jabberwocky]

Some areas cannot be reached on Klepto, and change between difficulty levels. The basement is locked out on Klepto.

Properly Paranoid was intended as a 341 mission.

[bobber]

Thanks. That explains a lot! Now I'm playing it again at the next difficulty level and the door is open!

[bobber]

I am in the prime number room in the middle. No way no how can I jump to the next prime number square nect to the chest. It is partially covered by the big tank thing. Is it really possible to make this leap?

[maga]

Is there only 1 moss arrow? as I already used it...........

[maddpsyintyst]

Hey, folks! I seem to have run into some bugs for this FM. It's been out for seven years already, so if they're not fixed now, maybe they won't be? In any case, here goes my report.

1. The middle floor elemental symbol room--NOT the one around the corner from the Keeper library, but the one down the hall from the mummy and the other room with the four urns--does nothing on any level.

2. Despite reloading and even restarting the game, I cannot get the Hammerite room's four torches to produce any results on the Scuttle level. There are sounds as if they're unlocking, just like in the Klepto level, but nothing shows up.

Does anybody have any answers?

[Unna Oertdottir]

dmls to fix the mission. This was hard work

DML1//DEDX fix//Properly Paranoid//c511.gam.dml
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DML1//Properly Paranoid//Fix for 2 hidden objectives, a mad guard and more//miss21.mis.dml

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[fortuni]

Well done Unna, fixed at last (I was getting so bored of testing that mission).