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Thread: - Campaign for T:DS Editing Tools

  1. #1
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Scotland - Campaign for T:DS Editing Tools

    OK people, thanks to the uber-l33t coding goodness of Subjective Effect, the campaign for editing tools for T: DS now has a website worth showing to the outside world. As before, you can find it at:

    Great job, SE.

    Also Great job to the taffers all over the world who sent Eidos letters, cards and gifts in our Easter letter campaign. I'm sure the Eidos folk are... aware of the situation now. Nevertheless, even if you're catching this news late, please show your support by signing the petition, sending a letter and spreading the word. Every little helps until we can coax a response out of Eidos, hopefully around release time.

    (Thanks to SE, deadman and GBM for getting us this far.)
    Last edited by GlasWolf; 18th Apr 2004 at 22:07.

  2. #2
    Yeah, don't forget GBM and deadman. Hmm, both men. . .

  3. #3
    Registered: Oct 2002
    Location: Location:
    SWEET! great job guys, i'm going to send mine for sure

    Edit* - I am sending it out today. I included the printed letter, with a page of screenshots from my first dromed project, a printed page from the petition's website showing the number of signatures, a printed page from jason's site showing the most recent fm releases, and page from the editor's guild forum showing that it is still intensly active. So, no chocolates from me just the hard facts
    Last edited by Thief13x; 18th Mar 2004 at 12:38.
    ThiefFm Editor, Producer, and Designer of The Bluecoat's Training Facility. Sequal Fm, -> The Eye's Betrayal. 36% complete ==> CANCELLED.

  4. #4
    Registered: Nov 2002
    Location: in a cardboard-box

    Looks great!

  5. #5
    Registered: Aug 2002
    Awesome. I've been waiting for a real mailing address. Thanks Glaswolf!

  6. #6
    Registered: Jan 2003
    Location: NeoTokyo
    The site looks great. I've really got to hand it to you guys for all the great work.

    Now to find the perfect Easter card to send away...
    What do you see when you turn out the lights? / I can't tell you, but I know that it's mine. (J. Lennon)

  7. #7
    Registered: May 1999
    Location: You are Here
    Made sticky for great justice.

  8. #8
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Scotland
    Thanks Azal.

  9. #9
    Registered: Jul 2002
    Location: Helsinki, Finland
    did you just start a new petition all over again?
    or are there really that few names ?

  10. #10
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Poland
    It's the same petition, but it now has a new site. And a sticky thread here and at the Ion Storm forums (it should get one at Eidos too!).

    Once again: great job, GlasWolf

  11. #11
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Poland
    After a little intervention on my side, the thread is now sticky at Eidos too

  12. #12
    she/her ⚧
    Registered: Dec 1998
    Location: Lyon
    You've got a perminant link up at The Circle... hope it's visable enough.

  13. #13
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Scotland
    Cheers Digi!

    (We're closing in on 1000 sigs...)

  14. #14
    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Tucson, AZ
    I'd like to point out that at the time of this post, there are 1115 signatures on the petition. I'm so happy! We may just have a shot at this...

    One point I wanted to raise, though, was the difference between a level editor and an SDK, as we've been asking for one or the other. With a level editor, like Dromed, sure you can create new FMs, but doing things like new AI is difficult if not out of the question. It's just for working on levels, really.

    With an SDK, we'd finally have the level of freedom to change whatever we want, FMs without limits. New models, new animations, new AI, and so on and so forth. I'm just concerned that if we do get some concession from EIDOS, it's going to be the lesser of the two tools, and that strikes me as somewhat tragic.

  15. #15
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Scotland
    I've purposely tried to use generic language in the literature ("editing tools"), simply because I'd be happy enough with either. Besides, if they released a proper SDK what would GayleSaver do all day?

  16. #16
    Registered: May 2001
    Location: earth?
    does it tell people somewhere to put their real names? - because i see quite a few forum-type names and such (which wouldn't mean as much (if anything) as a full, real name would)

  17. #17
    Previously Important
    Registered: Nov 1999
    Location: Caer Weasel, Uelekevu
    Is it a good omen or a bad omen when Thief 3 developers sign the petition?

  18. #18
    Registered: Nov 2003
    Location: Poland
    Good, I guess... Shows they care.

  19. #19
    Registered: Jan 2001
    Location: Scotland
    Let's look on the positive - if they knew there was no chance of success then I doubt they'd be encouraging us to waste our time by signing up and making the announcement a sticky.

  20. #20
    Registered: Sep 2002
    Location: Museum of the Ancients
    Great idea such a petition. I signed it.
    There should be more thief fans in holland then those who are member of the forums
    I posted messages on some dutch game forums with a link to the petition recently like here If I look at the names, I believe there are allready some who signed it
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you"
    - Friedrich Nietzsche

  21. #21
    Registered: Jul 1999
    Location: Los Angeles, CA
    Hmm, I've tried to sign it twice now, but for some reason it won't let me. Says something like it didn't originate from the petition. I suppose I'll try using another computer, see if that works.

  22. #22
    Keep trying. From other machines, locations, whatever. Do not give up on this cause over some technical glitch. The online petition is temperamental. Took me me ages to sign too. Why do you think I'm not higher up?
    I am the 1st Subjective Effect, the other is a Doppelganger. I'm just so in demand. . .

  23. #23
    Registered: Jul 1999
    Location: Los Angeles, CA
    Ahh, it worked. After trying three different computers with no success, I changed my name and used another email account that I have. All is now well.

  24. #24
    Registered: Mar 2002
    Location: House of Sand and Fog
    Originally posted by Gingerbread Man
    Is it a good omen or a bad omen when Thief 3 developers sign the petition?
    Whaaaa..?! When was this? I tried mentioning it to Null several times at the ISA forums but was basically ignored (both about who we might send letters to and if any of the devs would unofficially support the endeavor and at least sign the petition). I also mentioned it to Emil in his recent thread, with no reply. You are joking?

    "I cannot see anything admirable in stupidity, injustice and sheer incompetence in high places, and there is too much of all three in the present administration." -M.M.Kaye, The Far Pavilions

  25. #25
    Nope. It's true. Around 1000. Can't remember if its Null or not. . .

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