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Thread: How does SS1 tie in with SS2?

  1. #1
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    Registered: Mar 2001

    How does SS1 tie in with SS2?

    Since never actually playing SS1 i dont really know anything about it.

    Does SS2 continue on where SS1 left off or is it a whole seperate scenerio with a different main character, time zone etc?

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    Registered: Aug 2000
    Location: USA

    This should be in the spoiler forum, but...

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    First of all, haven't you played SS2 yet either? It all gets explained to you when you get to Polito's office on Deck 4.

    In SS1 (2072), the hacker, at the request of Tri-Op executive Edward Diego, hacks SHODAN (who is the security computer for Citadel Station which is in orbit around Saturn) and inadvertently makes her go bonkers. The hacker undgoes surgery, wakes up, and everything on Citadel has gone wrong (just like the beginning of SS2). Through crew logs, the hacker realizes that he must, among other things: (1) destroy a laser that SHODAN is going to use to fry Earth (2) jettison a recreation area called Beta Grove where SHODAN is performing experiments to try to create a "new form of life", and (3) destroy SHODAN.

    In SS2 (2114), the soldier must destroy the Many and SHODAN. Where did the many come from, and how is SHODAN still alive after SS1? Glad you asked. It turns out that Beta Grove from SS1 crash landed on Tau Ceti IV. The "new form of life" that SHODAN tried to create has evolved into the Many, and SHODAN downloaded a "backup" of herself into the computers in Beta Grove. Evidently, the crippled remains of SHODAN sent some type of distress signal out into space which was picked up by the UNN on Earth and they sent the Von Braun to investigate.

    Great storyline, huh? Pretty well thought-out in my opinion. And a great, non-obvious way to spin-off a sequel.

  3. #3
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    Registered: Apr 2000
    Location: Malden, MA USA

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all the groves ejected in System Shock 1? People always mention Beta Grove, but as I recall, there were four groves in SS1: Alpha, Beta, Delta & Gamma. Each was where Shodan was developing her mutagens. Beta Grove is simply the one that landed on Tau Ceti V.

    Which leaves three more groves, potentially with three more Shodan fragments. Which leaves the potential for three more sequels with the Many. And, of course, they'd be far badder... because they had some extra time to evolve.

  4. #4
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    Registered: May 2000
    Location: London

    Consider yourself corrected Only Beta and Gamma groves were ejected. Beta was the one SHODAN was using for her mutagen experiments, and Gamma was ejected by some TriOp execs who were trying to escape Citadel ... unfortunately for them, SHODAN disabled post-eject life support. Oops.

    Alpha and Delta groves were destroyed along with Citadel when the hacker activated the reactor destruct. There's a different sequel mechanism in place for System Shock III.
    "I could NOT STOP! I had a STREENGY BIT!"

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    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Melbourne

    I've only played the start of SS2, but I was wondering, The Von Braun is a real expensive ship, Faster-Than-Light n'all, why would they send it to investigate a distress signal? Citadal Station couldn't have been too far from Earth (Not if a Mining Laser was a threat).

    And I thought I say the same infestation on the Bridge as in Beta Groove. That would mean that the virus got to Earth! It might have just been a similar texture, or part of the redesign.

  6. #6
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    Registered: Aug 2000
    Location: Australia

    Gee, that's not what happened at all.

    Read the "The World of System Shock 2" section in your manual to find out what actually happened.

    The Von Braun is on it's maiden mission to test out the FTL drive. During the mission a distress signal is received by the VB from the Tau Ceti system. The VB goes to investigate. The reminents of BETA Grove are found.

    Of course, no one really knows how it (BETA Grove) got there. Citadel was in orbit around Saturn. Tau Ceti is 12 light years away.

    About the texture, the infestation would be due to the many.

  7. #7
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: England

    Shock 2 is set (what is it? 35 years?) after SS1. If Beta grove was travelling at .3c (light speed) it could get to Tau Ceti 5 WAY before the Von Braun. When Citadel blew up, it must have produced one HELL of a bang, hence the grove's ridiculous acceleration.
    "Murphy and Darwin are best mates, and both date the Fuckup Fairy." --A denizen of the Monastery

  8. #8
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    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Massachusetts

    Originally posted by Descenterace:
    <STRONG>what is it? 35 years?</STRONG>
    40 i believe...Also, Citadel was right between the earth and moon (i think)....it was close because they had never had anyone LIVE on a space station before and wanted it close in case of problems

  9. #9
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    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Where I is I is

    Citadel was out by Saturn.

  10. #10
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    Registered: Aug 2000
    Location: VIE, .at

    Originally posted by JediKorenchkin:
    <STRONG>Citadel was right between the earth and moon (i think)</STRONG>
    Heretic fool! You see the ringed planet right during the intro!

  11. #11
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    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Massachusetts

    i havent played that game in about 6 years so lay off <IMG SRC="mad2.gif" border="0">

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    Now what if the UNN soldier you played as was the son of the hacker on SS1?

    That'd be funny.

  13. #13
    New Member
    Registered: May 2001
    Location: Cyberspace

    For completeness, it is worth stressing that Captain William Bedford Diego of the Rickenbacker in System Shock 2 is the son of Edward Diego who forces the hacker in System Shock 1 to create S.H.O.D.A.N in it's present form. An exceedingly nice tie in as William's behaviour is coloured by his need to make amends for his father's actions.

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  14. #14
    Member
    Registered: Dec 2000

    SS2 is 42 years after SS1
    Its in the intro...

  15. #15
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    Registered: Aug 2000
    Location: Australia

    Descenterace:

    Lets assume that it (the grove) was travelling at .3 c because of the Citadel explosion. Do you have any idea what would happen when the grove travelling at .3 c would hit the atmosphere, and later the surface of Tau Ceti 3? It would pretty much be destroyed.

    It is unreasonable to assume that the grove managed to get to Tau Ceti without some sort of influence that speed it up and later slowed it down. The problem isn't so much that the speed is unreasonable. The problem is the acceleration, the forces involved and the energy required to do it. They are just so incredibly high.

    If the Citadel explosion caused the grove to accelerate to .3 c, surely the proximity of the bridge to the exploding Citadel would mean that it (the bridge) would have been destroyed. This is obviously not the case.

  16. #16
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    Registered: May 2001
    Location: somewhere in Switzerland...

    This garden grove was moving quite fast... 0.3c isn't light speed but still unreachable by today's rockets (about 100'000 kilometers per SECOND, over 3'600'000 kph).
    It couldn't have accelerated without any help, methinks.
    It is possible that SHODAN took control of the grove and made her robotic servants transform it - into something that has thrusters, and therefore can be piloted. looking at what shodan made to some areas of Citadel, I wouldn't be suprised. During the thirty-year travel off the solar system, she would have maintained the "ark-grove" systems - guiding the annelid's evolution, and finding them a new planet. at some time though, as we know, the annelids turned against their creator. and here we are...

    as for "why tau ceti V", I don't know. maybe Tau Ceti was the closest star system with planets...

    waiting answers.

    TEFAL

  17. #17
    Member
    Registered: Oct 2000
    Location: Melbourne

    I never new SHODANs creations would revolt against her! That makes some of her SS1 logs more bearable. eg.
    "God - the Title suits me well"
    Does anyone know what Edward Diego was trying to cover up? I was reading through the file with all the logs in, but all I found was a reference to a 'mutagen experiment'. Is there anything about this in the sequel?

  18. #18
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    Registered: Apr 2001
    Location: England

    I haven't actually played Shock 1 (except the demo). I believe the thing that crashed on Tau Ceti V was, in fact, some sort of shuttle? Like, perhaps, a grove with engines? I think it's in one of the logs. If it was travelling at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, a) collision with minor particles would decelerate it (not much, I'll admit), b) the influence of the gravitational field of various stars and planets would affect it's speed, and c) if it's a shuttle, it's got reverse thrusters, not to mention retros...

    It was in a crater, so it must have come in at some velocity, and annelids are quite resilient things.
    "Murphy and Darwin are best mates, and both date the Fuckup Fairy." --A denizen of the Monastery

  19. #19
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    Registered: Jun 2001

    Actually .3C would not be too unfeasable. All that was left of SHODAN was a silicon wafer, and the Annelids are rediculessly resiliant and could regrow from just about anything.

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